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Post by nomad on Apr 9, 2013 6:36:26 GMT -8
 John. Thanks for sharing more of your fabulous rarities from your extensive collection. I Have recently seen four of the 20 or so known specimens of the nominate Parides quadratus [1937] in a French Papilionidae collection, what a treasure he has! I presume specimens of the nominate P. quadratus go for that amount because it is now considered extinct? He also has Eurytides iphitas [Hubner 1821] from Rio [1977] which he bought for quite a low price. I believe E. iphitas is also extinct in Brazil. Peter.
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Post by wollastoni on Apr 9, 2013 6:52:52 GMT -8
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Post by panzerman on Apr 9, 2013 7:01:19 GMT -8
Thanks, Peter, Radovan, Dunc... It always a kind of guessing "game". Esp. in the Neotropical region, where there are no roads, trails to extensively collect locales, also with Countries like Brazil with their crazy collecting laws, no go areas where drug cartel or leftist guerillas operate, poltical unrest, so many obstacles! But then look at how rare papilio indra pygameus is, when it flies in Nevada, USA! I read in a book that parnassius arcticus is in trouble in its small habitat, due to genetic problems from "inbreeding"? papilio rex francicae M John Attachments:
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Post by nomad on Apr 9, 2013 7:14:30 GMT -8
 Wollastoni spectacular Parides Paris collection. Peter.
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Post by lordpandarus on Apr 9, 2013 8:58:45 GMT -8
Hopefully I will have something to post in this thread later this week
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Post by nomad on Apr 9, 2013 11:21:48 GMT -8
 Here are those super rare Parides quadratus quadratus [Staudinger 1890] in the collection of Jacques Porteneuve. The 4 specimens on the left are the nominate quadratus from Manicore, Rio Madeira [1937] with 5 specimens of subspecies spoliatus [Staudinger 1898] on the right. At the third row right are 4 specimens of the very rare Parides coelus [Boisduval 1836] from French Guyana. Some closer views of Jacques rare Parides specimens can also be viewed along with those at the Paris Museum on the wonderful and informative website mentioned by Olivier above which is run by Sebastien Demay. Jacques has sent me a large google map of the Manicore area in Central Brazil which shows that the nominate P. quadratus forest and sandbank habitat is intact, so it should almost certainly occur there. Peter. Attachments:
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Post by nomad on Apr 9, 2013 11:44:52 GMT -8
A specimen of the extinct? Eurytides iphitas [Hubner 1821] from Rio, Brazil 1977 in Jacques collection. Many thanks to him for sharing some of the rarities in his wonderful collection. Peter. Attachments:
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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 9, 2013 14:09:50 GMT -8
At the third row right are 4 specimens of the very rare Parides coelus [Boisduval 1836] from French Guyana. Boisduval is a junior homonym, and so an unavailable name. The correct name for this species is Parides vercingetorix (Oberthür, 1888). Adam. |
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Post by lordpandarus on Apr 9, 2013 14:37:19 GMT -8
To me the correct name is the one I saw more often in books, even if they change it afterwards for whatever reason
I know this butterfly as P. coelus
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Post by lepidofrance on Apr 10, 2013 0:57:50 GMT -8
1. About Parides vercingetorix (and not coelus) Oberthur, 1888, new specimens have been collected recently in Saul (Center of French Guyane). Until now, this butterfly was given only from the western part of FG. To learn more, see the pdf on this page : www.lepido-france.fr/revues/annee-2012-volume-21-2/numero 53, 2012, December. 2. Regarding, Parnassius arcticus, they discovered new biotops West of Magadan (I can tell exactly where). There, the species is not so rare and one my russian entomologist friend sent me 5 or 6 samples. Sorry, I can't produce to-day a photo of these P. arcticus : the drawer is in a countryside house and I'm presently in Paris. I'll do it asap. 3. I visited several times the Jacques Porteneuve's Papilionidae collection. In fact, it is definitely worth a visit (at least)! Attachments:
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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 10, 2013 1:01:06 GMT -8
You know this butterfly as P. coelus because too many lazy authors in the past just followed the 1906 names of Rothschild and Jordan's work on the American Papilios, and couldn't be bothered to use the correct names for this and many other species (eg. d'Abrera). If those authors had used the correct names you would also be using them and would know the species as P. vercingetorix.
The excellent book on Swallowtail Butterflies of the Americas by Tyler et al. (1994) uses the correct name, so it's not exactly anything new that P. coelus is unavailable and the name should be P. vercingetorix. I don't remember when the homonymy was first published, but I expect it was a lot earlier than that.
If everyone were to start using correct names then there really would be no long term confusion for the collectors of tomorrow.
Adam.
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Post by lepidofrance on Apr 10, 2013 1:16:27 GMT -8
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Post by hewi on Apr 10, 2013 7:51:44 GMT -8
Male and female of Urania sloanus from Jamaica Manfred Attachments:
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Post by nomad on Apr 10, 2013 8:30:24 GMT -8
Male and female of Urania sloanus from Jamaica Manfred Those Manfred are just stunning! Thanks for sharing Peter. |
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Post by jensb on Apr 10, 2013 8:53:25 GMT -8
Wow fantastic butterfly.
Greets Jens
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John. Thanks for sharing more of your fabulous rarities from your extensive collection. I Have recently seen four of the 20 or so known specimens of the nominate Parides quadratus [1937] in a French Papilionidae collection, what a treasure he has! I presume specimens of the nominate P. quadratus go for that amount because it is now considered extinct? He also has Eurytides iphitas [Hubner 1821] from Rio [1977] which he bought for quite a low price. I believe E. iphitas is also extinct in Brazil.
Wollastoni spectacular Parides Paris collection.
Here are those super rare Parides quadratus quadratus [Staudinger 1890] in the collection of Jacques Porteneuve. The 4 specimens on the left are the nominate quadratus from Manicore, Rio Madeira [1937] with 5 specimens of subspecies spoliatus [Staudinger 1898] on the right. At the third row right are 4 specimens of the very rare Parides coelus [Boisduval 1836] from French Guyana. Some closer views of Jacques rare Parides specimens can also be viewed along with those at the Paris Museum on the wonderful and informative website mentioned by Olivier above which is run by Sebastien Demay. 
