Joon
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Post by Joon on Jun 7, 2015 6:29:27 GMT -8
That russian scammer is hillarious Its like seller selling a fake non fuctioning TV. And then he blames his customers for everything
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Post by ornithorchid on Jun 7, 2015 6:40:25 GMT -8
It's like all the same that you have bought a new TV in the store for $2450 and the next day you it smash. After you SMASH it you're trying to return him back. But no one you will not return, because the goods damaged and will not be returned! Dmitriy This is incorrect. You can add to your purchase an insurance plan than will cover any damage. Item will be replaced to new, no question asked... But I will understand if this is not an option in some other countries.
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Post by ornithorchid on Jun 7, 2015 6:42:29 GMT -8
That russian scammer is hillarious Its like seller selling a fake non fuctioning TV. And then he blames his customers for everything Yes right. Just like buying one of these plastic demo computer at sears with a glued picture instead of a screen.
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Post by butterfly on Jun 7, 2015 7:09:10 GMT -8
Chinese fake brand TV may work as and a brand TV. The seller maybe not even be aware that he actually sells (fake or not). But the point is that the buyer has smash it and attempts to return back. It is in any case of wine buyer. Buyer should immediately return the product in the same condition, if it does not suit him. Rules are rules! Seller can guarantee a return money for product, only in that case, if the product was not damaged by the buyer and can be returned in original condition to seller!
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Post by ornithorchid on Jun 7, 2015 7:36:20 GMT -8
Your argument stands only in the case of legit sale but not in the case where fake items with deceptive methods were used to sale. Which in your case you tryed selling this fake item, previously sold to you by another scammer. As you admitted you were even salling it back on eBay at the same price or close to the price you purchased it for... Making your case even more difficult to support against eBay.
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Post by butterfly on Jun 7, 2015 8:00:21 GMT -8
I am in any case do not know a fake it or not, because another crook, as you call him a "crook" sold it to me as the original very expensive. This butterfly was in my collection, and looked very nice, just super (not as a fake, but as a true original). I did not have any problems with this butterfly. I really do not understand why Will conducted experiments over it.
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Post by ornithorchid on Jun 7, 2015 8:10:22 GMT -8
When I have 'super' butterflies in my collection I don't sell them. Only exception when I have duplicates and that I need money...
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Post by butterfly on Jun 7, 2015 9:21:31 GMT -8
I understanding you. But i even when have only one specimen i has to sell it to get money. In Russia we have a problem with money. And if when I have the lack of money, then I must to sell any butterfly to get money. Believe me, I have already sold many of his favorite rare butterflies from my collection. And I will continue to sell, if i will be needed money.
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Post by stapleton on Jun 8, 2015 19:05:57 GMT -8
When I have 'super' butterflies in my collection I don't sell them. Only exception when I have duplicates and that I need money... I believe, real collectors just physically CAN NOT sell any 'super' specimens they have in their collections, for that is simply against their NATURE. Or there should be some sort of force majeure to make them do it. The other side of the coin is a growingly popular case of quite a bunch of personalities, positioning themselves as 'butterfly (beetle) collectors', who actually collect nothing but money, which is the sole, true, and only aim of their 'entomological' activities. Today they show OFF their newly obtained specimens here on the Forum ("here's what I have in my collection"), and tomorrow you see all of them on eBay. That's what their "collecting" is all about... Obviously, "standacer" is one of these... ( And after all, when people need money, they normally go to work. EVEN IN RUSSIA.)...
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wzinke
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Post by wzinke on Jun 8, 2015 19:27:29 GMT -8
I am in any case do not know a fake it or not, because another crook, as you call him a "crook" sold it to me as the original very expensive. This butterfly was in my collection, and looked very nice, just super (not as a fake, but as a true original). I did not have any problems with this butterfly. I really do not understand why Will conducted experiments over it. Dmitiry, I have not done "experiments"... I told you it arrived darker than the original picture had shown. Yes, you packed it well and it arrived with no tears or breaks. But the color was dark when it arrived, and I explained this to you. You told me to leave alone and it would correct itself. I did so for two weeks and the color just got worse! So I tried relaxation. I wish to God I had not. By the time you warned/threatened me saying you are not responsible for any damage that I would do, it was relaxing for two days. Now, I cannot prove you knew it was an altered color but the language translation led me to believe you knew it would change color if I relaxed it. That was when I opened the case on ebay. I have relaxed hundreds of butterflies with no problems! If you did not know it was going to change colors, why would you have warned/threatened me? It is a common procedure and if you have been a collector with many butterflies surely you know that relaxation does not harm the specimen. Did you know it was an altered color specimen before you sold it? Bottom left is the original photo on ebay and the photo of it the day it arrived to me, and then after relaxation, and then remounted to show the original green scales that were protected from the UV... I have explained as much as possible and just need to finish with this. I don't believe you would have returned it even before I relaxed it. I am tired and moving on...We will never agree it seems and it is up to ebay to decide.... :
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wzinke
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Post by wzinke on Jun 8, 2015 19:34:31 GMT -8
Wzinke Mind posting a copy screen of the ad details. I can't get it from my past following list. You should have it. Thank you. Emmanuel It was so long ago this was all I could copy... Item: 221701898231 BLUE ORNITHOPTERA VICTORIAE RUBIANUS, MF. NICLASI. MALE. SUPER RARITY. RANONGGA Member id 99dmitriy99 ( Feedback Score Of 109Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499) Item condition: New Sale date: Mar 05, 2015 Quantity: 1 Winning bid: US $2,450.00
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Post by exoticimports on Jun 8, 2015 19:43:59 GMT -8
Will, I did for you a WARNING, to tell you right away that if you somehow DAMAGE the butterfly and it will not in proper condition,Dmitriy He did not "smash" the TV, he turned it on. Unfortunately for you, the seller, you advertised it at 110VAC and he plugged it into 220VAC and because your advertisement was false it was shown to be a fraud. The economic situation in Russia is not good. I understand that. I have been in countries with bad economies, and sat with people who suffered from the economic problems. It is, I think we all agree, very sad. In a world here on Insectnet.com I hope we are friends, and can have feelings for friends in areas that suffer hardships. Many of us know what it is like to try to feed our family when there is no money. Even in Solomon Islands, where this specimen originates, there has been terrible hardship. When exporting Victoria I faced a man from Criminal Bureau of Investigations who demanded non-existent export duties. I looked into his beautiful, sad brown eyes and saw a desperate man. And you know what, I calculated "export duties" and gave it to him- so he could feed his family. Dmitriy, when economic times are difficult it is hard. Particularly when it appears that someone, somewhere else, has so much money. And, it is likely that BOTH parties are victims. Dmitriy probably bought this specimen as advertised, and then sold it as such. I have shared recently that I did likewise, and had to repay the buyer. I could afford it. Perhaps Dmitriy cannot, and the money is already gone. That, as I've written in the past, is the problem with dealing with Solomon Islands. But as a middle-man that failure cannot be passed to the end buyer. As far as I'm concerned, a man's #1 responsibility is to feed the family. Most cultures share that. A man's #2 responsibility is INTEGRITY. To be a man means to be what you say. To stand behind what you do. It is the most important lesson a man can teach his children. Dmitriy, you stated you have reserved your most precious specimens. Thus, you have the assets in these specimens that can be sold to pay the buyer of the fraudulent specimen. You may not like it- but it is your responsibility to do so. Americans, Russians, and Japanese build reputations on INTEGRITY. Without integrity they are nothing. It may pain you, but it if you must sell your favorite specimens to compensate the buyer, you should do so. What is a Russian without INTEGRITY? He is nothing, he is not a man. So stop making excuses. Do what you must to be a man. Compensate the buyer of that junk specimen, and build your reputation. Be a man. I hope you will stand up and be a man, a Russian, no matter what cost. Your forefathers gave everything to defeat the criminal Nazis. Is your cost so much? Chuck
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Post by butterfly on Jun 9, 2015 2:16:08 GMT -8
Hi Will,
You do not want to believe me. It's your right! My conscience is clear. I just want you to say once again: I told you that you kept it a week or more, because I really thought that perhaps she will recover. It was purely my opinion. I'm not an expert in the field of blue O.Victoriae. It was my first and only such a butterfly. I do not nothing knew and don't know about them, besides that I saw on the forum. I'm telling you the truth. You asked me about acetone. I told you, it is better not to put the butterfly in acetone. Again, this was just my opinion. After, you wrote to me that the butterfly has become even worse. You beginning demand with me a full refund money for it. After you opened the case on Ebay and in a letter you written to me that you have opened the case on Ebay and try do relax butterfly to re-mount it. That's why I warned you at once that if you somehow damage the butterfly, I do not refund your money for it. Perhaps somewhere, I just do not tactfully write you (please forgive me), but it does in no way not say about that I'm hidden his fraud and that i thief, as you call me. You simply have not understood me correctly, that's all. Again, you can think all whatever you want about me, but I just wrote you everything as it is (the truth). I'm nowhere not cheating you. You just have to were returned to me at once this butterfly, if you something did not suit in it. Now I explained to you all sincerely. I have nothing more to tell you. Again, you may not believe me. It is your right! But I told you all sincerely from pure soul.
P.S. I offered you partial refund $600. You refused! You've escalated the case! So you yourself have achieved what they wanted.
Dmitriy
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Post by ornithorchid on Jun 9, 2015 5:30:53 GMT -8
MAN... Standacer "likes" his own posts. That says it all!
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Post by stapleton on Jun 9, 2015 5:33:43 GMT -8
ornithorchid,
You were the first to highlight it, I just lost a coupla' minutes...
Chuck,
The fact is, every now and then these devoted "family feeders" have neither a wife, nor kids, and their only aim is to get more and more cash to please their beloved them ***ing selves... Working hard is NOT their way, either: easy money is what they are looking for. That's INCURABLE. Victor, a Russian
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