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Post by mothman27 on Nov 17, 2018 12:21:20 GMT -8
Thanks for sharing that!  Jan There are so many illogical things in this video. Why should we be responsible for all of the world's problems if we are trying to fix one? Anti-women?? What??? Abortion is killing women, how is that pro-women? Many people (this includes pro life people) wait for long periods of time to adopt children. The Catholic Church is the largest charitable organization in the world. You can't compare animals to humans, they are obviously so different. Also, chicken eggs sold in the stores are unfertilized... The point here is that abortion is intentional killing of the baby, miscarriages are unintentional.The "my body, my choice" argument doesn't make sense considering the baby is clearly not her body but inside her body. In case you don't think life begins at fertilization (which is the scientific truth) here are the reasons why life begins at no other point. At fertilization the zygote has unique DNA from the parents and will grow into an adult human. If it is a life as soon as the baby is born then you are just saying that life is dependent on the location of the baby. Life doesn't begin at nine months because the babies born prematurely would not be a human life. It cannot be at a certain size because then a toddler would be worth less than an adult. Some unborn babies are larger than other born babies. If we determine value by the dependency of the person then all babies would have no value because they can't take care of themselves. If the mother can abort her baby because she cannot afford to take care of it then why can't she kill her toddler for the same reason? If we should kill babies who will grow up in poor or broken homes then why shouldn't we kill toddlers in those situations to spare them the hard life? If you think we can't know when life begins then shouldn't air on the side of caution rather than risking human lives? I tried not to bring religion into this. I would love to hear your responses to my thoughts. When do you think life begins? Thanks, Tim |
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Post by mothman27 on Nov 17, 2018 12:31:12 GMT -8
I encourage you to watch this
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Post by leptraps on Nov 17, 2018 15:53:22 GMT -8
I respect others opinions and beleifs.I have not criticized others opinions and beliefs with the exception of Big Foot.
So, I will no longer participate in this topic. Each of us must chose our beliefs and I will respect them.
I will also not respond to PM's or emails. I have a family that I love, a passion to pursue, Lepidoptera, and a retirement to enjoy.
I will just leave be.
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Post by mothman27 on Nov 17, 2018 16:08:57 GMT -8
Watched some of it.... this person make a lot of sense... nonsense. Maybe he think he know something about what is correct for women, but gosh - this is a dude! What do he know about women's problems? In some cultures women get a tent pulled over the head when they are born and are told that driving can cause damages to their ovaries. We know that is not correct, but some appear to believe so. These two millennia old stories need to stop somewhere. Humans need to move out of the dark ages. What doesn't make sense? Saying that he can't understand the problems of women is just changing the subject from the murder that is taking place. If a woman was saying the same thing as he is, then what would you say? I mean I guess no one can ever say what's right or wrong for any other person because they have never been in that exact situation... nonsense. You are saying that men's opinion on abortion (which kills girls and boys) is irrelevant. What about the nine men who decided Roe V. Wade? I guess that law doesn't count. What you are saying is clearly sexist. Plenty of men are pro-abortion too but that's apparently fine. Everyone can have an opinion, not just men or just women, both. Or... maybe the unemployed should try to get jobs and the homeless should try to fix their lives because usually there are ways out of unemployment and homelessness. The thing is that abortion is legal murder and can be fixed. So you are agreeing that abortion is a cause of death? These other factors of death are huge scale problems and they are not legal murder. Of course we should work on fixing them too but that is not as easily done and it's not murder. Maybe I'll just "become" a woman so I can truly understand abortion... Do you think anyone should have the right to kill their toddler for any reason at any time? Why or why not? Tim |
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Post by Paul K on Nov 17, 2018 19:50:06 GMT -8
Does embryo have consciousness, is it aware of its existence?
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Post by Paul K on Nov 17, 2018 21:20:24 GMT -8
If abortion is legal, by definition, it is not unlawful and therefor is not legally murder. You or anybody else can refer to it as murder, but that does not legally codify it as murder.
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Post by mothman27 on Nov 18, 2018 8:09:29 GMT -8
Does embryo have consciousness, is it aware of its existence? Does someone who is in a coma or asleep? Can we kill them? Also, brain waves can be detected in the preborn as early as week 5. |
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Post by mothman27 on Nov 18, 2018 8:12:45 GMT -8
If abortion is legal, by definition, it is not unlawful and therefor is not legally murder. You or anybody else can refer to it as murder, but that does not legally codify it as murder. Okay. Technically it is not murder by law (unless someone kills a pregnant woman because only then is it a "life", that is, if the mother wanted to have the baby) but it used to be considered murder. Laws aren't always right. Slavery was once legal. |
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Post by mothman27 on Nov 18, 2018 9:09:46 GMT -8
Every time there is a mass shooting, especially school shootings, we hear the constant cry from the Left that we need gun control and/or that we should remove guns from our society. Guns are not the problem but the result of a Society without a conscience. With the advent of video games came violent video games. You can play mortal combat where you can take an axe and throw it at your opponent and stick it in his head. Or with a machine gun he can kill hundreds of others in combat or street violence. Our children can plays these games for hours on end. Our society has created a new type of murder, a life is taken without violence, it is called abortions. Approximately 62 million since Roe vs Wade in 1973. And we thought the Nazi’s were bad! "Our children can plays these games for hours on end" - and that's exactly what they do. They play and they are away from the streets where sh.. happens. Its be a few decades now since video games came out and thus far there has been no evidence that violence was caused by these games, any more than violent films. Its a old presumption that apparently still survives in some parts of society, 2019 (in just a bit). Jan There is evidence to show that violent games and tv causes aggression and violence. The exposure to the violence is not the cause of school shootings but causes increased aggression. |
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Post by Paul K on Nov 18, 2018 9:33:04 GMT -8
This topic is pointless.
Your believes and morals are based on church which by the way forbids all kind of birth controls. Those theories/rules/morals were created by people who never have families to worry about and they had/have absolutely no experience and no clues about reality of live.
There was an interest in those hundreds of years ago, more people, more founds for church hierarchy, better and easer live for priests, bishops and all others who were closed to big table. It is continued to this day. The only deference between now and then we have almost 8 billion of humans instead of less than one. We have eliminated natural selection in many cases by using of advance medicine.
We thrown our species out of balance polluting the earth.
The abortion was, is and will be either way if is legal or illegal. The only problem if it is illigal it’s performed under the table often with the risk of serious complications to the patient.
I’m personally believe it should be the last resource used to terminate pregnancy in case other methods feiled and one runs out of other options.
I wish you and every young man and women that you would never have to reach out to this last resource but for many of you live will be not so ideal in pink colours as you dream of and no one should be judged or be called murderer because we all do make mistakes.
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Post by mothman27 on Nov 18, 2018 9:54:55 GMT -8
This topic is pointless. Your believes and morals are based on church which by the way forbids all kind of birth controls. Those theories/rules/morals were created by people who never have families to worry about and they had/have absolutely no experience and no clues about reality of live. There was an interest in those hundreds of years ago, more people, more founds for church hierarchy, better and easer live for priests, bishops and all others who were closed to big table. It is continued to this day. The only deference between now and then we have almost 8 billion of humans instead of less than one. We have eliminated natural selection in many cases by using of advance medicine. We thrown our species out of balance polluting the earth. The abortion was, is and will be either way if is legal or illegal. The only problem if it is illigal it’s performed under the table often with the risk of serious complications to the patient. I’m personally believe it should be the last resource used to terminate pregnancy in case other methods feiled and one runs out of other options. I wish you and every young man and women that you would never have to reach out to this last resource but for many of you live will be not so ideal in pink colours as you dream of and no one should be judged or be called murderer because we all do make mistakes. And yet you are not defending your position. I made it clear how abortion is murder and you have no response but to say that it will happen anyway. So you are saying it is a bad thing? or no? Why not legalizes suicide and any type of killing? This topic is not pointless! If overpopulation is all you care about then why aren't you rejoicing at every mass shooting? I am not sure what your last sentence means but of course we all make mistakes and this is not about blaming those who have abortions, it's about saving the lives of innocent human beings. i am not making this into a moral issue, it is scientific. If you believe that all humans have a right to live, then you should realize that abortion takes away that right. Tim |
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Post by eurytides on Nov 18, 2018 13:13:59 GMT -8
I think the basic point is this. When a fetus is physically connected to a woman and her uterus, she calls the shots, whether the fetus is alive or not, whether someone else approves or disapproves....etc. Call it whatever you want, but practically speaking, if a woman wants an abortion and you don't provide a safe medical means of doing so, some will do it themselves in an alley with a coathanger and risk her own health. There are no easy answers; if it were that simple, we wouldn't be having heated exchanges about this topic which has happened countless times in many countries already.
Do we equate this with murder? Well, sperm are alive, so masturbation should be considered orders of magnitude worse. Assuming a normal sperm count, the average male kills 200-250 million sperm with every ejaculation whether contraception is used or not. All those potential lives....lost forever.
Life is precious....until it trespasses on your property.
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Post by leptraps on Nov 18, 2018 13:33:43 GMT -8
I am going to regret this, but here it goes. What happens if the lady giving you a little head swallows the load. Is that murder, or even mass murder.
This is going to get interesting!!!!
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Post by eurytides on Nov 18, 2018 14:01:22 GMT -8
If abortion of an embryo is murder, and life is defined as any cell(s) capable of independent metabolism, then yes mass murder. Someone swallowing sperm is no better or worse than than sperm being flushed down the drain. It results in the same death of that sperm. All the men on this forum, let's get real, who here hasn't killed many billions of sperm in their lifetime?
Anyway, I shall make this my last post for this particular thread, which honestly I think is a waste of time. We're here to talk about insects right? But instead, it's mostly/all men with no medical training (are any of you medical doctors?) talking like they can tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body.
For the record, I'm a Canadian physician with 10+ years of medical experience. If any of you would like to have an actual medical discussion on the topic of abortions, for medical reasons or otherwise, we can have a private conversation (time permitting).
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Post by leptraps on Nov 18, 2018 16:17:06 GMT -8
I have the distinct feeling that billions have gone down the drain by a number of of you on Insectnet.
I got fix 40+ years ago and only shoot blanks.
Does that count Doc??
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