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Post by boghaunter1 on Jun 26, 2020 17:15:19 GMT -8
There were only 2 defective units sent 18 May & 8 June...I swear on my recently departed wife's grave that these are the only ones I have EVER received. If you have actual tracking numbers for all supposed/imagined 3 units???... PROVE IT.... by posting them here for all to see & verify. Valid Tracking numbers are THE ONLY WAY any buyer has to be certain the claimed items were actually shipped. How many times must I ask you for verifiable tracking numbers?? What can't you understand? That has been my main request all through this tiresome ordeal. I honestly think your mind is seriously slipping Leroy.
I'm sticking with Chuck's simple return solution... reread it... so simple...your way is unnecessarily complicated,time consuming & frankly ridiculous. I don't think by this point in the game Leroy that you can really dictate anything to anybody. I REPEAT I SUPPORT CHUCK'S simple solution on his terms including deleting this entire thread ONLY AFTER I RECEIVE ONE WORKING UNIT ONLY as I originally paid for...
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Post by boghaunter1 on Jun 26, 2020 21:05:58 GMT -8
L.K....I am not, after serious thought, about YOUR TIME WASTING & RIDICULOUS CONDITIONS, going to involve Chuck... Too much back & forth Bullsh%t! Therefore THIS IS NOW MY FINAL & SIMPLEST SOLUTION. Refund me the original $237.75 USD (= $331.05 CAD) pd. to you on 06 March 2020 + the additional $77.45 USD (= $105.63 CAD) to return your 2 POS, broken, defective, faulty lights... if you still want them. The total you owe me is $315.20 USD (= $436.68 CAD). I expect the payment of $315.20 USD (or $436.68 CAD... your choice) to be made by Paypal (I know you have an account as that is how I paid you, in good faith, originally.) I WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT ACCEPT PAYMENT BY ANY OTHER MEANS, BUT PAYPAL.... NO CHEQUES, NO RIDICULOLUS MONEY ORDERS, PAYPAL & PAYPAL ONLY. I am continuously repeating myself, because you appear to have great difficulties in understanding anything! AGAIN... I WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT ACCEPT PAYMENT BY ANY OTHER MEANS, BUT PAYPAL.... NO CHEQUES, NO RIDICULOLUS MONEY ORDERS, PAYPAL & PAYPAL ONLY. UNDERSTAND L. K.?
After I check my Paypal account & I see the full $315.20 USD has been deposited, I will GLEEFULLY ship your broken lights back to you, I will also happily post the tracking number right here for all the world (PLUS YOU!) to verify....& I think you have gathered by now what you can do with those faulty lights once you get them.... 
My refund, by PAYPAL ONLY, will be expected this coming Monday morning 29 June 2020... making it 116 days (16.5 weeks) since this Bullsh%t 1st began. NO one, not even you Mr. Leroy C. Koehn, of LEPTRAPS LLC of Aurora, Ohio, can deny that this will be the FASTEST & SIMPLIEST WAY TO RESOLVE THIS IMPASS... ONCE & FOR ALL! Only after I get paid in full & you get your POS lights back can you ask the moderators to delete this whole ridiculous thread. Good luck in your future business...FOGL.
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Post by wingedwishes on Jun 26, 2020 21:37:26 GMT -8
Anyone besides myself think Chucks plan was a good mediation?
Although, if I were Chuck, I might have second thoughts after reading the previous posts. Dammit - by all means lets drive away (scare) possible newbies.
It is standard practice to refund after receipt of damaged/faulty/etc. merchandise. (Canada, USA, UK).I require it in my business but have not had to do so except 3 times in 12 years. Thank you Chuck for proffering a reasonable solution other than the standard practice even though it appears to be rejected.
Hopefully the rhetoric in this thread can be a teaching moment.......
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Post by leptraps on Jun 27, 2020 13:26:30 GMT -8
He purchased a Collecting Light Unit: 40Watt 24" 120VAC. Upon receipt he emailed and claimed it would not work. Because I am a trusting soul, I sent him a replacement. And the Light Bulb he purchased was broke.
This is where I said stop. Return the all three Collecting Light units and I will send another Collecting Light Unit and two extra bulbs.He claimed nothing worked and wanted his money back. I told him to return all the Collecting Light Units and I would refund his money.
He responded with only after I send him money in USD.
This is where I stopped. No more. Return the defective Collecting Lights, I we pay for the return shipping and refund the money for the original Collecting Light Unit and all shipping cost once I receive the "Everything" I sent him.
He has written a number of lengthy exposes and accusing me of numerous attempts to take advantage of him.
Scroll up in this thread and read what he has written. He needs to return the defective Collecting Lights.
Now if one of you wants to act as the middle man. That is fine with me. However, whoever the middle man is, must open the shipment and confirm what he has returned all three Collecting Light Units. He has only paid for a single (one) Collecting Light Unit.
Once the middle man has all three of the Collecting Light Units in his possession and that the units are intact not willfully damaged, I will send a Certified Bank Check to the middle man for the one Collecting Light Unit he paid for, plus the money to the middle man for all return shipping expenses.
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Post by boghaunter1 on Jun 27, 2020 17:11:21 GMT -8
LEROY… It has become readily apparent that you are suffering from SOME KIND OF DEMENTIA which is rendering you too incompetent to carry on a business SUCCESSFULLY... I have had a number of your own RECENT customers, in the last week, inform me of simple difficulties/UNEXPLAINABLE MISTAKES they have encountered in the recent past.....mixing up orders, forgetting items (even happened in my 1st order with you 4 years ago!.... just screwing up SIMPLE THINGS with more & more frequency. YOUR GLORY DAYS ARE LONG OVER....
RETURN ALL MY MONEY BY PAYPAL.... $315.20 USD (INCLUDES $77.00 USD TO RETURN THE 2 (NOT 3) FAULTY COLLECTING LIGHTS I POSSESS) & I WILL IMMEDIATELY SHIP YOUR 2 FAULTY LIGHTS BACK WITH TRACKING NUMBER POSTED HERE. I DO NOT WANT ANY MORE OF YOUR POS LIGHTS (POOR QUALITY CONTROL NOW). IT IS MY RIGHT AS A CUSTOMER, WHO HAS BEEN SUBJECTED TO 4 MONTHS OF ENDLESS RUNAROUNDS/FRUSTRATION/& INCOMPETENCE TO DEMAND HIS MONEY BACK IN FULLL....IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE. YOUR COMPLETE REFUSAL TO PRACTISE ACCEPTED STANDARD BUSINESS PRACTISES IS REFLECTING VERY BADLY ON YOURSELF PERSONALLY & ON YOUR BUSINSS... IT ISN'T AFFECTING ME... YOU ARE THE ONE STEALING FROM ME (YOU ARE THE THIEF) BY REFUSING TO REFUND MY MONEY.
WARNING TO ANY & ALL POTENTIAL FUTURE LEPTRAPS CUSTOMERS..... DON'T DO IT.... THIS MAN (NEW INFO FROM HIS FORMER CUSTOMERS SENT TO ME HERE) IS CLEARLY, INCREASINGLY SUFFERING FROM SOME TYPE OF DEMENTIA/SENILITY. LEROY IS NEARING 80 YEARS OF AGE, IS HAVING INCREASING TROUBLES RUNNING HIS BUSINESS & I PREDICT YOU WILL HAVE NOTHING BUT INCREASING PROBLEMS WITH ANY FUTURE ORDERS. BESIDES, HIS PRODUCTS ARE HORRIBLY OVERPRICED. CHOOSE A RELIABLE SUPPLIER LIKE BIOQUIP... AT LEAST THEY WILL QUICKLY & EFFICENTLY PROCESS YOUR ORDERS....& THEY WILL NOT CALL YOU A THIEF (WITH ZERO PROOF AS LEROY DID TO ME) & TRY TO RUIN YOUR REPUTATION ON SOCIAL MEDIA. JUST STAY AWAY. LEROY HAS BEEN TRYING TO SELL HIS BUSINESS FOR THE LAST 2 YEARS (FOR AN OUTRAGEOUS/CRAZY AMOUNT OF MONEY....$150,000 USD)! ALSO CONSIDER ANY FOLLOWUP PROBLEMS YOU MAY HAVE WITH LEROYS PRODUCTS... HE MAY SIMPLY NOT BE AROUND DUE TO ILL HEALTH OR WORSE....REMEMBER WHAT HE TOLD US LAST FALL ABOUT HAVING TO TAKE IT EASY DUE TO SUDDEN BAD HEALTH... I'M PRETTY SURE HIS DOCTOR DIDN'T ADVISE HIM TO CONTINUE STUFFING HIS FACE WITH WAFFLES & 2" THICK STEAKS!
IF L.K. PERSISTS IN REFUSING TO RETURN MY MONEY I AM GOING TO CONTACT PAYPAL...I HAVE 6 MONTHS TO REGISTER A COMPLAINT WITH THEM....SO STILL HAVE A FEW MORE MONTHS TO DO THAT. PAYPAL CAN INVESTIGATE & I'M SURE L.K'S CREDIBILITY/CREDIT RATING WILL PLUMMET IF HE TREATS PAYPAL LIKE HE TREATED ME. I WILL ALSO MAKE A FORMAL REQUEST TO THE MODERATORS OF THIS WEBSITE TO BAN LEROY C. KOEHN FROM THIS WEBSITE AS A BAD SELLER IF HE CONTINUES HIS UNEXPLAINABLE WAYS. MENTAL INCOMPETENCE, SENILITY, WHATEVER ASIDE... IT'S A REALLY SAD & PATHETIC SITUATION, BUT I SIMPLY CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE OF THIS BULLCRAP & I AM NOW AT MY WIT'S END AS TO HOW TO CONCLUDE THIS MESS & GET MY MONEY BACK. APOLOGIES TO OTHER MEMBERS FOR SUCH LONG & REPETATIVE STATEMENTS.... I TRIED TO GET THROUGH WITH AS MUCH INFO AS POSSIBLE (COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY), BUT AM UP AGAINST A BRICK WALL THAT FRANKLY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON.
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Post by leptraps on Jun 28, 2020 4:34:58 GMT -8
I will no longer respond to any additional posts, I will now seek Legal Counsel.
Please be advised that I have printed off this entire conversation. I would suggest the Insectnet do likewise.
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Post by kalamay on Jun 28, 2020 4:51:49 GMT -8
LEROY… It has become readily apparent that you are suffering from SOME KIND OF DEMENTIA which is rendering you too incompetent to carry on a business SUCCESSFULLY... I have had a number of your own RECENT customers, in the last week, inform me of simple difficulties/UNEXPLAINABLE MISTAKES they have encountered in the recent past.....mixing up orders, forgetting items (even happened in my 1st order with you 4 years ago!.... just screwing up SIMPLE THINGS with more & more frequency. YOUR GLORY DAYS ARE LONG OVER.... RETURN ALL MY MONEY BY PAYPAL.... $315.20 USD (INCLUDES $77.00 USD TO RETURN THE 2 (NOT 3) FAULTY COLLECTING LIGHTS I POSSESS) & I WILL IMMEDIATELY SHIP YOUR 2 FAULTY LIGHTS BACK WITH TRACKING NUMBER POSTED HERE. I DO NOT WANT ANY MORE OF YOUR POS LIGHTS (POOR QUALITY CONTROL NOW). IT IS MY RIGHT AS A CUSTOMER, WHO HAS BEEN SUBJECTED TO 4 MONTHS OF ENDLESS RUNAROUNDS/FRUSTRATION/& INCOMPETENCE TO DEMAND HIS MONEY BACK IN FULLL....IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE. YOUR COMPLETE REFUSAL TO PRACTISE ACCEPTED STANDARD BUSINESS PRACTISES IS REFLECTING VERY BADLY ON YOURSELF PERSONALLY & ON YOUR BUSINSS... IT ISN'T AFFECTING ME... YOU ARE THE ONE STEALING FROM ME (YOU ARE THE THIEF) BY REFUSING TO REFUND MY MONEY. WARNING TO ANY & ALL POTENTIAL FUTURE LEPTRAPS CUSTOMERS..... DON'T DO IT.... THIS MAN (NEW INFO FROM HIS FORMER CUSTOMERS SENT TO ME HERE) IS CLEARLY, INCREASINGLY SUFFERING FROM SOME TYPE OF DEMENTIA/SENILITY. LEROY IS NEARING 80 YEARS OF AGE, IS HAVING INCREASING TROUBLES RUNNING HIS BUSINESS & I PREDICT YOU WILL HAVE NOTHING BUT INCREASING PROBLEMS WITH ANY FUTURE ORDERS. BESIDES, HIS PRODUCTS ARE HORRIBLY OVERPRICED. CHOOSE A RELIABLE SUPPLIER LIKE BIOQUIP... AT LEAST THEY WILL QUICKLY & EFFICENTLY PROCESS YOUR ORDERS....& THEY WILL NOT CALL YOU A THIEF (WITH ZERO PROOF AS LEROY DID TO ME) & TRY TO RUIN YOUR REPUTATION ON SOCIAL MEDIA. JUST STAY AWAY. LEROY HAS BEEN TRYING TO SELL HIS BUSINESS FOR THE LAST 2 YEARS (FOR AN OUTRAGEOUS/CRAZY AMOUNT OF MONEY....$150,000 USD)! ALSO CONSIDER ANY FOLLOWUP PROBLEMS YOU MAY HAVE WITH LEROYS PRODUCTS... HE MAY SIMPLY NOT BE AROUND DUE TO ILL HEALTH OR WORSE....REMEMBER WHAT HE TOLD US LAST FALL ABOUT HAVING TO TAKE IT EASY DUE TO SUDDEN BAD HEALTH... I'M PRETTY SURE HIS DOCTOR DIDN'T ADVISE HIM TO CONTINUE STUFFING HIS FACE WITH WAFFLES & 2" THICK STEAKS! IF L.K. PERSISTS IN REFUSING TO RETURN MY MONEY I AM GOING TO CONTACT PAYPAL...I HAVE 6 MONTHS TO REGISTER A COMPLAINT WITH THEM....SO STILL HAVE A FEW MORE MONTHS TO DO THAT. PAYPAL CAN INVESTIGATE & I'M SURE L.K'S CREDIBILITY/CREDIT RATING WILL PLUMMET IF HE TREATS PAYPAL LIKE HE TREATED ME. I WILL ALSO MAKE A FORMAL REQUEST TO THE MODERATORS OF THIS WEBSITE TO BAN LEROY C. KOEHN FROM THIS WEBSITE AS A BAD SELLER IF HE CONTINUES HIS UNEXPLAINABLE WAYS. MENTAL INCOMPETENCE, SENILITY, WHATEVER ASIDE... IT'S A REALLY SAD & PATHETIC SITUATION, BUT I SIMPLY CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE OF THIS BULLCRAP & I AM NOW AT MY WIT'S END AS TO HOW TO CONCLUDE THIS MESS & GET MY MONEY BACK. APOLOGIES TO OTHER MEMBERS FOR SUCH LONG & REPETATIVE STATEMENTS.... I TRIED TO GET THROUGH WITH AS MUCH INFO AS POSSIBLE (COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY), BUT AM UP AGAINST A BRICK WALL THAT FRANKLY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. |
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Post by kalamay on Jun 28, 2020 5:02:00 GMT -8
Good afternoon everybody,
I have followed the whole "discussion" but I am not able to judge who is right and who is wrong -
But I feel obligated commenting the preceding post !
Very, very bad style - worth being deleted immediately by the webmaster !!!
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Post by boghaunter1 on Jun 28, 2020 7:16:23 GMT -8
To all Concerned... I agree 100% with complete deletion of this entire fiasco... only after I get a refund for return shipping & original order. Since L.K. refuses to budge on these basic issues I am going to bite the bullet myself; tomorrow morning I am going to pay the $77.45 USD ($105.63 CAD) myself to ship the 2 defective units back. They are already repackaged & have been waiting in my local P.O. to be reshipped since the middle of last week. L. K...Disregard the "RETURN TO SENDER FOR REPLACEMENT WRITTEN IN BOLD LETTERS ON THE OUTSIDE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL PACKAGE". It should now "RETURN TO SENDER FOR REFUND". I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT a 3rd UNIT SENT TO ME... I am completely done with you LEROY & only want a cash refund. The tracking number will be posted here...stay tuned.
What happens after that is entirely up to LEROY C. KOEHN....I (we all) will be watching/waiting with bated breath. Funny L.K. has the money to see a lawyer, but can't, at the minimum, cough up a lousy $77.45 USD to ship his TWO defective units back to him.
Aside from posting the tracking number of the return package here tomorrow I won't be posting any other comments for the next approximate 2 weeks it will take (due to Covid19 & mail delivery slowdowns) for my return package to reach L.K.. WE all need a break, myself included, from this Bullcrap!
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Post by boghaunter1 on Jun 28, 2020 7:34:21 GMT -8
To Make doubly sure LEROY understands... I am simply tired of fighting; I will mail the return package at my own expense of $105.63 CAD ($77.45 USD). Funny/odd that Leroy has the money to hire a lawyer, but can't cough up the lousy $77.45 USD to have a package containing his own 2 defective units returned!? LEROY - disregard the "Return to sender for replcement written on the exterior of each of your individual packages" (being shipped together inside a different, larger, more secure box). IT SHOULD NOW READ "RETURN TO SENDER FOR REFUND". I definitely do not want another unit sent to me... I will only accept a cash refund by Paypal.
I will post the tracking number of the return package right here tomorrow mourning. I am not commenting any more here unless I still don't see any cash deposited in my Paypal account in 2 weeks time. We, myself included, all need a break from this fiasco. ONLY after I receive my money in my Paypal account will this dreadful situation come to a close & can/should this thread be deleted
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Post by kevinkk on Jun 28, 2020 7:53:40 GMT -8
This has been an interesting post.
I don't know how I would have handled this one. Without pictures of the shipping containers, or video of the non-working items, it's
tough for readers to make a decision.
Shipping is one of the big issues for us. The responsibility to get an item safely and timely to it's destination is the prime duty of
the seller,once it's in the shipping system, anything can and does happen.
Packing your livestock, your equipment so it can be handled by 'Ace Ventura' is the seller's responsibility, I've had issues with people
who have no concept of how to properly ship, it's inexplicable, and they all have been defensive when questioned.
In the way we trade here, it's much different than the guarantees you get in other platforms.
I don't think this one is going to get straightened out without arbitration, but good luck.
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Post by skandinavisk on Jun 28, 2020 14:35:17 GMT -8
While some may persist it - change is coming....
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Post by wingedwishes on Jun 28, 2020 17:34:24 GMT -8
While some may persist it - change is coming.... Jan I agree. Businesses and customers are evolving into new practices as the digital world grows and becomes more dominant. Although I do not see much changing in this particular dilemma. |
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Post by wollastoni on Jun 29, 2020 0:41:14 GMT -8
I think this topic was useful to try and solve an issue btw 2 of our members. But please keep it factual with NO insults or useless attacks. Otherwise I will have to delete it or block comments. Thank you  |
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Post by leptraps on Jun 29, 2020 7:09:44 GMT -8
John Kozial:
Should you have a defective Collecting Light Unit, I will replace it.
If you would prefer you money returned, return the defective Collecting Light Unit and I will promptly refund your money, including shipping cost.
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